What Do Near Death Experiencers say About Homosexuality?

By AngelicView

Can we evolve already? And if not… can you please stop the world? Because I want to get off.

It doesn’t matter who you love. It just matters that you love. This is the sentiment all across the board from NDE’ers. (When we get to be much more evolved, there won’t be any such think as “male” and “female” anymore, anyway).

People who are homosexual have beautiful and profoundly insightful NDE’s. People also see their homosexual friends and family in “Heaven”.

Did you know that Christian Andréason is a gay man? His NDE is what I titled, “Love is the WAY” on AngelicView. It was so long and so detailed and insightful that I split it up into two posts. It has been so long ago now that I can’t remember whether I knew at the time I posted it that he was a gay man. But it wouldn’t have mattered. Click on the link to go and read it. It’s beautiful.

William Si, from “Jesus and the Wheel of the Ancient Ones” saw his gay friends when he went to Heaven. I also highly recommend reading that one, too. Anyway, here is what William says in Part 2 of the 2-part series:

As I was passing through the tunnel, I could sense the spirits that were in the shadows beyond the tunnel of light.  I could feel the torment, the fear, the guilt and shame that they were feeling.  I asked my guardians how could God condemn these spirits to this realm.  I was told that God did not put them there, They Put Themselves There.

I asked what they meant by this.  (I’m going to be a bit on the blunt side here.)  So many times religions will teach that actions and words can admit or restrain a person from entering the presence of God.  These types of teachings, teach guilt and shame.  For instance, if you say the words, “Shit, Damn or Hell,” that soul will not be worthy to stand in the presence of God.  If a person chooses to live a different lifestyle than the norm, many religions will outcast the member from the group by scapegoating that individual and reminding the rest of the congregation how this individual will be cast into Hell and will never see the Light of God.

When I stood in the presence of my Creator, I had done things in my life that were not the Norm, but I felt no shame for them, I just felt loved.  While I was there, I was able to see 4 old friends that I had had on this earth.  These friends had all been killed in a car wreck after they had been hit by a drunk driver.  Some would think that that was o.k. because they had been innocently killed.  The drunk driver hadDovePeace also been killed.  Yet he was there also.  Why?  Because the guys had all forgiven him for his actions.  All five of them knew and agreed that their missions on this earth ended on that particular night.

Oh, I also forgot to mention, the four friends of mine, shouldn’t have been in Heaven at all, because religion had condemned them to Hell.  All four of them on this earth had been Gay.  They had no shame or guilt for their way of life.  Society had the shame and guilt.  These were great guys, they never hurt another human being.  Three of them even had younger siblings, and they not once ever Molested or Defiled them, in fact they protected them, even up to the day they died.

When we pass to that side, when Jesus went to those in Prison, he was talking about those that were in the shadows.  Those through their guilt and shame felt they were unworthy and incapable of being loved by God.  They are who we are to help.  To teach those who remain tortured in the shadows to awaken and realize that their turmoil was of no need.  God is pure LOVE.  The experiences these souls had on earth was just that, an experience and part of their mission.  When they learn to let go of the guilt and shame they will return back to the light.

This quote is taken from “Laughter of the Spheres“, an article where I had put together excerpts from different NDE’s:

I am still in complete awe of what lies beyond, what supports us all without our knowledge, at all times, of how loved we are. If all people knew what NDErs know, there would be no wars, no bigotry or prejudices, no greed, no crime, no fears. Then again, that would be Heaven, wouldn’t it?

Being a homosexual had no meaning on the other side… it didn’t matter. I mattered.

Here is a short excerpt from Kerry Kirk’s NDE:

I saw how selfish I had been. I felt the pain I had caused one person in particular and it bothered me very much. The things I had the most guilt for was hurting other people, lying, not being sensitive to their feelings, just being selfish. The fact that I was a lesbian didn’t even seem to matter then. That was surprising to me, given what I had been brought up to believe.

This is a brief intro to an article on Near-Death.com (you can click the link to read the rest):

In Jean Ritchie’s excellent book entitled Death’s Door, she has documented the suicide attempts and subsequent near-death experiences of a woman named Helen. Her near-death experiences demolish the myths held by many religious people that suicide and homosexuality are one-way tickets to hell.

What follows directly below also can be found at that same link.

NDE Analysis of Homosexuality

God loves gay peopleCountless near-death experiences describe the unconditional love that God has for everyone. This, of course, includes gays and lesbians. Just the fact that God created so many homosexuals (approximately 10% of the population) should be enough proof for any reasonable person. Unfortunately, there are people out there who, out of ignorance, fear, and bigotry, persecute them by treating them as second class citizens.

The following insights comes from near-death testimonies concerning bigotry. These insights show how homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality and is certainly not offensive to God as some religious texts claim.

multi-colored icon Creed, race, gender, and sexual preference have no real meaning to God. No matter who we are, we were all children joined under one God. The only rule is God’s true law “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (P.M.H. Atwater)

multi-colored icon Those religions which claim superiority over others, or exclude people for various reasons, go against God’s law that we love one another as we love ourselves. (Sandra Rogers)

multi-colored icon God is really only concerned about what is within us, our heart and spirituality, not our sexual preference. The way to heaven is through love for everyone unconditionally. We do not go to heaven by worshipping Jesus, or by believing in his name, or by believing in the cross, or by accepting him as our Savior. We grow to heaven by creating heaven within us by practicing the unconditional love of Jesus for everyone no matter who they are. (Kevin Williams’ research)

multi-colored icon There is no one religion just as there is no “chosen” people or person. We are all children of God in the sense that we are all souls of God’s creation. What counts is what comes from the heart, not what one professes to believe. The most difficult thing for a person who has been deeply steeped in a particular religious tradition is to realize that the form alone is not what elevates a person; it is the heart. (PMH Atwater)

multi-colored icon It also needs to be recognized that not all teachings described as religious are beneficial. Religion which is judgmental, prejudicial, critical, and narrow may impede the spirit’s natural growth. It is love, not religion, which creates spiritual growth. Where religion teaches love, there is growth. Where religion impedes love, there is stagnation. (Nora Spurgin)

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Modern medical research has found that the brains of homosexuals are genetically different than heterosexual brains. A study by Dr. Simon LaVey reported in Science News, August 31, 1991. Vol. 140, No. 9, page 140 discovered this fact. Such research reveals homosexuality to be a natural process; and therefore, a divinely created process.

Here is what Kevin Williams, NDE researcher, has to say about it:

Anyone who has grown up on a farm or ranch, as I have, knows that farm animals frequently exhibit homosexual behavior. These facts of nature and of God discredits self-righteous religious beliefs that homosexuality is merely a choice, a sin and a lifestyle which people can easily chose to abandon. Near-death and metaphysical evidence shows people are born the way they are for a higher purpose known to God and our Higher Selves. It also makes logical sense that God creates and loves everyone unconditionally no matter what their sexuality.

 The Bible and Homosexuality

The Bible was written during a time when society considered all sinners, homosexuals, adulterers, and prostitutes as outcasts and worthy of death. Women had the same status as cattle, slavery was sanctioned, and so-called sexually immoral people were stoned to death. But Jesus didn’t follow the social norms of those days. He hung out with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors and even made some of them apostles.

The following is presents the case that Jesus is not concerned about a person’s sexual preference contrary to Paul’s opinions.

multi-colored icon Paul did not know Jesus except from a NDE. He also didn’t take the opportunity to visit the Twelve Apostles until fourteen years after his conversion. Nor did he spend enough time learning at the feet of those who Jesus lived with, taught, and appointed. Instead, Paul rebukes Peter and clashes with Twelve on several occasions despite the fact that Jesus told the Twelve they would rule on twelve thrones and judge Israel. The only real historical facts that Paul mentions in his letters concerning Jesus was that he was crucified and had a brother Jesus. Paul’s letters display a bizarre degree of ignorance of Jesus’ teachings. In fact, Paul contradicts the teachings of Jesus so many times, many scholars conclude that Paul was the founder of Christianity instead of Jesus.

multi-colored icon The following is a list of just some the major contradictions of Paul’s teachings with Jesus concerning social issues and religious issues.

multi-colored icon Paul contradicted Jesus on these important issues:

       Issue   Paul   Jesus
  1.  Sexuality   Romans 1:26-27   Luke 7:36-50
  2.  Sex   1 Corinthians 6:9-10   Matthew 21:28-32
  3.  Bigotry   1 Corinthians 10:18-21   John 4:1-10
  4.  Poverty   2 Thessalonians 3:7-10   Matthew 25:34-40
  5.  Racism   Titus 1:12-13   Matthew 8:5-13
  6.  Women   1 Corinthians 14:34-35   John 4:27
  7.  Jews   1 Thessalonians 2:14-16   Matthew 2:1-2
  8.  Slavery   Ephesians 6:5   Matthew 23:8
  9.  Good works   Romans 3:28   Matthew 5:17-19

multi-colored icon Bible scholars speculate how Paul’s views on these issues are largely responsible for some of the atrocities that have plagued humanity in western civilization, such as anti-Semitism, the Inquisition, Nazism and the Holocaust, and slavery. My elevating Paul’s letters to the status of dogma. The same can be said of any one person who had a special revelation such as a NDE.

multi-colored icon When you consider all of the teachings of Jesus in the gospels, it is safe to assume that Jesus loves homosexuals; and nowhere in the gospels does Jesus condemn homosexuality.

Here is a link to an article on a NDE’er who is gay. This is what he says about it:

He said he saw a great light that he called the creator and each person was attached to that being. Describing it as a light much greater than the sun, he said it also had a consciousness.

The friends and family who were there with him didn’t have a human form but were also more like lights, somehow attached to the creator. But he said he knew exactly who each one was.

He said his near-death experience taught him that God embraces gay people. He saw many friends who had died of AIDS as bright lights. But he also saw some dark lights and those were evil people who did harm to others in this life.

And as a Christian writer, he said that he learned from his experience that God embraces people of all faiths. “I saw friends who were not Christian who were there and at peace,” he said.

Here is an article about an Episcopal Pastor who had been studying NDE’s. This is what he says:

What he says is surprising in these accounts is that even people who would be ruled out of heaven based on conservative Christian thought – such as practicing gay people, those with non-Christian faiths and even no faith at all – all shared with him encouraging afterlife visions.

This is a great page on NDERF’s (Near Death Experience Research Foundation’s) website that is a conversation between an Evangelical Minister and an NDE’er titled “Gay Defense“. This is NDERF’s intro paragraph (click the link to go and read the whole conversation):

David H’s NDE, Number 145 sparked some controversy when a reader gave her biblical comments on gayness.  Below is the Dialogue that ensued between her remarks and Rev. John Price.  I not only learned a lot from this dialogue, but I appreciated the love for all with which it was delivered.  How many others don’t stop judging homosexuals, yet flagrantly ignore what Jesus taught – do not judge.

I could really go on and on and on with this post. But it’s 3am in my neck of the woods and I’ve got to get this published and get to bed. Please share this. Especially with those who might be comforted by it, or those who might learn from it.

7 thoughts on “What Do Near Death Experiencers say About Homosexuality?

  1. I have no doubt that God loves LBGTI people. I am lucky enough to be Bisexual, so I know how natural God made all sexualities. If I met my soul mate, gender will not matter. I also get the choice to follow a conservative lifestyle, if I so choose… for some reason I feel further from a conservative lifestyle every day.

  2. Adherence to the false beliefs contained int he Old Testament are like an infection in the collective mind of humanity. Cut it loose and you will lose nothing.

  3. The love that we have come to earth to learn is more like an impulse for kindness in general, a recoil against harming the feelings of others. We’re not obliged to feel toward others in general the intensity of love we have for our own child or parent or spouse or best friend.

    The feeling of love is an automatic psychological response to an evaluation of someone or something as being of value to us. And to demonstrate the point by a useful extree example, no one expects a Jew to evaluate Hitler as being on a par in value to the former’s child or parent or spouse or best friend. So, stop struggling to “love” and just be kind. And kill those who deserve it, a life for a life, as the Bible urges upon us. Jesus whipped the money changers off the temple grounds. And He called a woman a dog because she wasn’t a Jew.

    Being kind as a general attitude does not mean one is unreal, even silly in treating everyone as an equal. God commanded Joshua to ethnically cleanse the land promised to the Israelites as their birthright who were returning to it from Egypt, kill every man, woman, child, and dog.

    God is not an egalitarian schmoo. And neither should we be, bent over and begging anyone who wants to to get a good running kick on our butts with their mountain boots.

    And Jesus tells us that we are obliged to forgive seventy times seven only if the offender repents and asks us for our forgiveness seventy times seven. Otherwise not.

    And, yes, religious homophobes are ignorant fools. I find that the less mediocre one is the less homophobic. Religion, unfortunately, is filled with mediocrities justifying their prejudices. Jesus saved his worst invective for religious leaders. I believe that many of them await a punishment, a shame, for the cruelty they’ve inflicted that divulges a total lack of empathy for their victims that’s the same as exhibited by a diagnosed sociopath.

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